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Community Projection: Jose Lopez

The third in a non-alphabetical and irregularly updated series of review pieces for each of the players we predicted last winter. (All entries are linked in the left-hand sidebar, below the Rotoworld stuff and the interviews.)

LL/USSM Community: 587 AB's, .285/.330/.435 (n=159)
Actual Line: 524 AB's, .252/.284/.355

Closest Projection: aptait, .241/.288/.361

Jose Lopez: not dope. If you want to say that the Mariner community was optimistic in picking a 23 year old to improve his OPS by 41 points, then fine, but I don't pin this one on us; rather, Lopez just fell flat on his face at an age where most young talents are taking a step or two forward. I don't think we can really be blamed for not seeing this coming.

There seems to be a pattern developing, here.

Winter: Mariner fans high on Lopez's ability, expect big things
Late spring/early summer: Lopez hits well, justifies expectations
Late summer: Lopez falls apart, becomes shell of early-season self
Autumn: Mariner fans gradually begin to cede to the opinion that Lopez is an overrated talent
Winter: Mariner fans high on Lopez's ability, expect big things

This has been the case in each of the last four years. However, because the first halves of both 2004 and 2005 were spent with Tacoma, people disregarded Lopez's struggles in Seattle as an adjustment period, and then after he did it again in 2006, some people thought he was just getting accustomed to playing a full schedule in the Major Leagues. Simply put, there were explanations.

When he did it again in 2007, though, there weren't. Well, there was one, as a few fans pointed to the death of Lopez's brother in June as a turning point (he had a .776 OPS before and a .547 OPS after), but for reasons I don't think I'm allowed to discuss, I'm not buying that. I think it's more likely that Lopez just collapsed again, and people are looking for any reason to explain it away so that they don't have to entertain the possibility that Lopez simply may not be as good as we thought he was.

I wish I could sit here and tell you that Lopez's 2007 season was the product of at least a little bad luck, but I can't. He really was that awful. Even if you normalize his BABIP (prOPS again), he was still the 13th-worst qualified hitter of 156 in the league. A season is not a success when the only people you substantially out-hit are Tony Pena Jr, Nick Punto, and the mummified remains of Craig Biggio. We would've been better off had Lopez just called it quits and taken an early vacation after his walk-off double against Boston on June 27th (God, sweeping Boston kicks so much ass).

It's not even that Lopez has been one of those guys who flashes a ton of skills early on but struggles to put them all together. No, if you just watched the last two years with zero knowledge of Lopez's minor league track record, you'd wonder what all the hoopla is about. He almost never has a good, long at bat. He almost never pounds a breaking ball. He almost never kills a pitch into left field, and rarer still does he smash it the other way. In two seasons, covering more than 1100 at bats, Lopez has hit exactly two balls over 400 feet (407 and 408). Even Yuni has more than that. This is the guy who's supposed to turn into our power-hitting second baseman of the future? His swing is all hands. The only even moderately consistent skills that Lopez has shown in Seattle are playing defense, making contact, and beating the crap out of a guy after he delivers a walk-off hit.

We can learn two lessons from Jose Lopez. They're not necessarily mutually exclusive, but they might be depending on how you look at them. The first is that it's important not to overrate your prospects. Young talents fail to blossom all the time, and just because minor league performance is generally a good indicator of Major League success doesn't mean that it always works out that way. While prospects are a great resource to have, there is value in certainty.

The second is that prospects don't always flip out Braun style and make an impact the instant they arrive. It takes some of them a lot of time. Lopez has collected 1500+ at bats over 400+ games with Seattle, but he still doesn't turn 24 for three weeks, so it's far too early to call him a bust. While he could be the new Luis Rivas, he could also be the new Jimmy Rollins, and Rollins took more than 2000 at bats before he turned into a legitimate threat. If you're going to put yourself in a position where you're relying on some young guys to contribute every day, sometimes you have to have a lot of patience.

Patience is something of which people are running out. Lopez's lack of progress has frustrated countless fans and team officials alike, and his occasional boneheaded mistakes haven't exactly helped his case. I don't put much stock in the "Lopez's head is never in the game" opinion, but I'll be honest, it's not like he's offered much evidence to the contrary. All we and the Mariners have been asking for is a sign every now and then that Lopez is starting to figure things out, but so far, no dice.

So now we've reached the point at which the front office is actively searching for a replacement. They were sniffing around Mark Loretta last July, but that was just for the stretch run; this reeks of more permanence. I think the Mariners are just about fed up with Jose Lopez. There's not much out there, but they'll view guys like Loretta, Ray Durham, Luis Castillo, Kaz Matsui, Tadahito Iguchi, and, I dunno, Mark Grudzielanek as much more dependable veteran solutions, and I highly expect them to make a push for somebody to take Lopez's place.

And no, I don't think it's a good idea. Jose Lopez has been an extraordinary disappointment so far, but again, he doesn't turn 24 for three weeks. He is still very, very young, with way more upside than any of the veterans listed above. People think of Yuni Betancourt as some little kid who's only going to get better, and he's two years older than Lopez is. Newsflash: sometimes young talent can get on your nerves. There's a reason contending teams trade for stopgap veterans at the deadline instead of 22 year olds in AAA. If you're going with a young player, he's not a short-term fix - you're committing yourself to him for the long haul, and committing yourself to riding it out and getting as much as you can before calling it quits.

We know Lopez has the talent to hit well somewhere in his body. We saw those tools in Tacoma. It's not as if he was some hack like AJ Zapp who put up decent but meaningless statistics; Lopez had the skillset to back up his glowing reputation. That's still there. The Mariners just need to commit themselves to finding it and bringing it to the surface. Otherwise, if they let him go, they're sending the message that if you're a young player who wants to stick around, you sure as hell better make a quick impression. And that's not a good way to build a ballclub when your ability to identify talent from outside the organization already sucks as bad as it does. The only way the Mariners are ever going to keep up with smarter front offices is by developing their own young talent. Dealing Lopez and replacing him with some retreat veteran is a step back in that regard.

By no means am I giving Lopez a blank check for destruction. I just think he ought to get one or three more chances before we give up and look somewhere else, especially if the intended external solution is some 33 year old who offers at most a 5-10 run improvement. The "better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late" mantra doesn't apply to players who have yet to reach their physical prime. If Lopez's next set of 1500 at bats is better than his first, then at the very least he'll be close to an average second baseman, and that has value. Isn't it worth finding out if he can take that step? How many guys really stop developing when they reach 23?

Keep Jose Lopez. He may have been the biggest liability in 2007, but he's not this team's biggest problem.

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For my money, ABs don't get any more depressing than Jose Lopez, at least for 2007.  He just looked completely lost at the plate.  Yet certainly wouldn't mind giving Lopez another shot next year.

by ThundaPC on Nov 2, 2007 7:44 AM PDT   0 recs

Awesome
I saw Lopez for the fraud that he is!!

by tait644 on Nov 2, 2007 8:27 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree
With one exception - if there is a team that really values Lopez, he may be worth trading.  He's not worth dropping or trading for scraps, especially because of the potential you mention above, but if (hypothetically, of course) some team thinks he'll be great someday and he would be incredibly valuable to them, it would make some sense to trade him rather than take the risk.

Although because of his recent struggles, I don't think many teams like that exist. So that is probably a non-issue.

Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 10:11 AM PDT   0 recs

Hmmm..
if you just watched the last two years with zero knowledge of Lopez's minor league track record, you'd wonder what all the hoopla is about. He almost never has a good, long at bat. He almost never pounds a breaking ball. He almost never kills a pitch into left field, and rarer still does he smash it the other way.

Well, I'm aware a little bit of his MiLB track record, so count me in as someone who's wondered all along what the hoopla was about.  I just never got it, really.

In two seasons, covering more than 1100 at bats, Lopez has hit exactly two balls over 400 feet (407 and 408).

I realize that this isn't really evidence, but I'm curious how much Safeco Field is in Jose Lopez' head.  Of course, when you're popping out to the infield or in foul territory all. the. time. it wouldn't matter what park you were playing in (well Oakland w/its vast expanse of foul territory would suck for Jose).  

When I look at Jose Lopez, the hitter, I see someone who probably has about as much of a clue as to how to hit MLB pitching as, well, I do...  

I remember watching Carlos Guillen coming up, at only a slightly older age (24-25), and recognizing him as someone who had a clue as to how to approach his at-bats.  Jose Lopez has never shown this to me.  Maybe those two years indeed make a huge difference, but it seems to me that Carlos Guillen had more talent than Jose does.

Jose Lopez is the most frustrating Mariner for me.   Yes, even more frustrating than Ho and Weaver and Rick White...

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 2, 2007 10:18 AM PDT   0 recs

More frustrating than White?
Really?
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes.
Your 2B of the future completely shitting the bed is more disconcerting than your manager being a dumbass.

Rick White didn't annoy me so much as McLaren using him in high-leverage situations did.

by Patrick517 on Nov 2, 2007 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For me, no question
Lopez is a lot of upside.  Rick White is a known quantity - he's a fat bag of crapulence.  Thus, Lopez was the bigger frustration - I know Lopez has a good player in him somewhere.  White probably does, too, but only because he ate one for dinner.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 2, 2007 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Definitely...
And even MORE frustrating than Sexson, since I knew Sexson was due for a decline.  Only slightly more frustrating than Felix, though, since I have even higher expectations on Felix, and after the first two games of the season (after which I wrote him an apology for not bowing down to his royal highness), became stronger and stronger.  But with Felix, age is even more of a factor, as was his injury.  Even knowing a little bit about the Lopez situation w/his brother, I didn't see that as an equivalent 'excuse' for his struggles.  

I just haven't ever really seen Lopez' talent with the bat.  Even when he was in the minors.  Heck, to me, Mike Morse has more talent with the bat than Jose Lopez.  And he's nothing special himself, really...

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 2, 2007 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was going to make a joke
But I forgot to make it. I didn't actually mean for people to take me seriously.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 11:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, then...
Here's a picture I took on Opening Day 2006, then, to brighten the mood.

CUP CHECK!!!!

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 2, 2007 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I really like this photo
So many jokes:
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 12:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm.
All that needs is the Hello Kitty assault rifle photoshopped on there somehow...
"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 2, 2007 12:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe it's his body type...
... but he's never really seemed to be in shape to me. And sluggish. It makes me wonder how (or if!) he works out, what he eats, what his personal habits are (you know, like the amount of sleep he gets). We should be seeing the adrenaline rush of desperation out there occasionally at least! But we don't. I won't compare him to Cabrera (but I just did...)...
rightly, in every age it is assumed we are witnessing the disappearance of the last traces of paradise... Cioran

by toonprivate on Nov 2, 2007 11:07 AM PDT   0 recs

A better idea
Hey, how about we trade Lopez to Cleveland for that kid Cabrera?

by Alex Johnson on Nov 2, 2007 11:08 AM PDT   0 recs

Or, better
We trade Lopez for Joey Cora. He has the experience.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I really dont have a problem with Lopez
Not everybody is going to be an elite player.  True, there are better 2B out there but there are alot worse too.  As mentioned before, hes a 23 year old kid and Id much rather have him on the M's than a 1 or 2 year veteran plug that isnt worth a shit.  For how much people on here complain about McLaren and "Veteran" views, it surprises me that anyone on here would want to cut ties on Lopez already.  Seriously who else would fill in for him?  Vidro, Willie (Dont get me wrong Im as big of a WFB fan as the next guy), an overpriced veteran free agent, or better yet another rookie?  

Im just ranting now, but man, how do I yearn for the days when if you had a middle infielder with a decent glove and hit around .230-.240 with 8-10 hrs, you had an anchor for your infield.  Im just glad that the likes of Ozzie Smith, Jose Lind, Shawon Dunston, Harold Reynolds and many others even in different positions played when they did.  It would have really sucked if these guys would have got the Rey Ordonez treatment.

OK, Im done.

Seriously...Who the FUCK steals another mans bobblehead?

by RED29 on Nov 2, 2007 11:13 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree with you about Ozzie, etc Red.
I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I understand that the game has changed, but I think batting statistics are way overrated as a measure of a player.

That being said, I am disappointed that Lopez has not developed more at the plate over the last few years.

I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 11:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The way I see it is,
If you create enough stats EVERYBODY will suck (or be good) at something.

Yes, I too think stats are overrated.  Im glad Im not the only one.  I pay attention to a few but I usually dont like or dislike a player just from a numbers standpoint.

Of course we all want to see Lopez develop into a great player.  But Im just surprised how many people on here want to GIVE UP on him already.

Seriously...Who the FUCK steals another mans bobblehead?

by RED29 on Nov 2, 2007 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think people would have more confidence
If the Mariners weren't already taking so many risks with every other player on the team.  Ibanez, Vidro, Sexson, Ramirez, Weaver, Washburn, White...

When the team is taking so many risks already, taking yet another risk with Lopez is much more difficult than, say, if we had Boston's team where few of the players could be considered "high risk."

Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right. If we had more of a
solid core to the team, we'd be less concerned about taking a chance on a single roster spot (like say, Coco Crisp or Lugo for the Red Sox).
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 12:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Chen?
Is there any chance the M's give Chen a chance to beat out Lopez?  I enjoy watching Jose in the field, minus the brain farts, but I am wondering if he has the drive to be as good as he could be.

by Sec 108 on Nov 2, 2007 11:34 AM PDT   0 recs

I was wondering about this earlier
I asked it in a thread.  Gomez and some others responded.  I have some work to do but if you do not get any responses, I'll try to find it later.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 11:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chen is recovering from shoulder surgery,
and playing winter ball. His bat may need some work to be MLB ready, but it's hard to tell since he missed most of last year.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 11:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here you go
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/comments/2007/10/30/13845/135/7#7
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 2, 2007 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On a side note I have an M's calendar
in my office, and November is Jose Lopez. The picture is of him right after a swing, and he's looking almost straight up in the air towards second base. I think they captured his typical at-bat perfectly!
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 11:44 AM PDT   0 recs

Amen, Jeff.
Of course, this being Bill Bavasi's team, I am visualizing him trading Lopez for Lenny DiNardo, while Billy Beane cackles madly.

by eponymous coward on Nov 2, 2007 12:06 PM PDT   0 recs

But but but
HE'S GONNA BECOME THE NEXT MIGUEL TEJADA!!!11ONE!!!!
These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Nov 2, 2007 12:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Lopez isn't killing this team
He can't bat but most 2B can't either.

An average 2B:  .275/.331/.407
Jose Lopez 2007:  .252/.284/.355

Its bad but its not an offensive position.  The baseline for a 2B is probably about -5 runs offensively.  Lopez was -23.5 runs last year offensively.  If you adjust that for Safeco, I'll say he's -20 runs.  I'm gonna guess Lopez was probably +5 runs defensively so he was about 10 runs worse than the average 2B.  That basically means he cost us about 1 game.  Thats right, we were probably one win less with Lopez.  Thats all.

Plus I don't think he can get worse than what he showed last year.  Due to the fact that 2B is not a position you expect much out of it really isn't too catastrophic that Lopez is a bad hitter right now.  He should get better next year.  He might not but its worth the chance because he costs us nothing and I think has a pretty decent chance of at least giving us average production.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 2, 2007 1:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Your 23.5 runs below average
is BtRuns from BBRef, right? It's already adjusted for park.

BPro's BRAA has him at 24 below. It's also adjusted for park.

visiting A's fan.

by rfloh on Nov 2, 2007 1:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok thanks for that yeah it was
I guess I had just assumed it wasn't adjusted.  I guess he's probably closer to -1.5 wins instead of -1.  I'm gonna guess he could improve marginally next year and become a -0.5 wins player making nearly nothing which is acceptable to me.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 2, 2007 2:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can Morse play 2nd base
He used to play shortstop... I don't see why he couldn't give 2nd a try.  About his only chance to crack the lineup is to become WFB's heir... so he might as well learn how to play 2nd.  Or is he tabbed as a corner infielder only?  If they were trying to teach him LF just to get him in the lineup, it seems like an easier move to go from SS to 2nd base.  And so long as he's adequate defensively, no one is going to cry about Lopez losing at bats.

by johnbai on Nov 2, 2007 2:45 PM PDT   0 recs

I don't think he's be "adequate" at 2nd.
His already minimal range seems to have settled into the "backup 1st or 3rd baseman" range, with maybe emergency starts in the corner OF.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There's a reason
there are no 6'4, 225 lb, second basemen in the majors

by G_ on Nov 2, 2007 3:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Prince Fielder for 2nd base!
(try taking HIM out on a double play!)
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 3:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And about 25 yrs ago
there were no 6'4" SS in the majors too.  Then a guy named Cal Ripken came along and changed that.  I don't think size is a good reason to say a guy can't cut it.  I think Morse does fit much better in as a 3B because if I remember right he has a decent arm and he's not that "smooth".  The problem is that I think Morse offensively is much more like a 2B than a 3B.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 2, 2007 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly. That's his problem.
He doesn't play enough defense to stick in the middle of the field, but he doesn't hit enough to play the corners.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We'll just have to adopt a 5 man IF
and only have Ichiro and Jones in the OF.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 2, 2007 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've done essentially that in softball before.
It was effective for a few innings.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

SS don't have to pivot on the DP
In fact, there are barely any 2B over 6'0 tall.

Even after Ripken (who really should have moved SS long before he did) and A-Rod, big shortstops are still very much the exception, not the rule.

by G_ on Nov 2, 2007 3:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Most 2B are 6' tall
I guess I just don't feel like an extra 4" kills you and makes you so you can't turn your body.  I think there is probably a fair amount of conventional wisdom that is preventing teams from sticking a bigger guy in that role.

Any shortstop should be able to shift to 2B because shortstop is a much more demanding position because it requires greater quickness, softer hands, and a stronger arm.  Maybe the big SS sacrifice quickness and hands an have a cannon to make up for it and since 2B don't need an arm this sacrifice does not need to be made.  It kinda comes down to where you want the balance to lie in the position, offense or defense.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 2, 2007 3:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You're forgetting that Morse was at best,
a very marginal SS.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 4:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How many are "over 6'0 tall?"
It is not just turning the body.  It is turning the body, while jumping three feet into the air, and maintaining mechanics on the throw.  It is not just the four inches -- it also the additional body mass.

So even after Ripken, A-Rod, and Moneyball (how did the fat catcher work out?), teams are more open than ever to bucking conventional wisdom when it comes to evaluating players.  

Yet despite that, second basemen top out at 6'2 Jeff Kent, who really should have moved off second base years ago but still has the bat to make up for it.  

And at least in the majors, the fraternity of big shortstops who field well is pretty much down to Troy Tulowitzki, a freak of nature.  And Mike Morse still has one inch and (at least)twenty pounds on Tulowitzki.  

And it is not just baseball.  It is the same reason why even after Magic Johnson, there are still few 6'9 point guards in the NBA.  Or why there are no tall acrobats at the circus.    

by G_ on Nov 2, 2007 4:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's kinda along those lines
that I always wondered why you couldn't have a LH SS. He has to pivot a little on the DP he fields, but doesn't have to pivot on DPs the gets from the 2B.

by Matthew on Nov 2, 2007 4:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The ball in the hole
It's not about the DP - it's about the ball hit into the hole.  He's going to have to plant and spin on every ball he gets going to his right.

by davidcameron on Nov 2, 2007 4:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you could play further to (your) right side
because you'll have a quicker throw on balls hit to your left though.

by Matthew on Nov 2, 2007 4:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

By UZR, Kent was above
average defensively from 2003-2006. RZR had Kent at 2 runs below average in 2007, same with ZR.
visiting A's fan.

by rfloh on Nov 2, 2007 11:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exhibit A why defensive metrics
are still works in progress.

by G_ on Nov 4, 2007 12:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

When are we going to do
the next round of these projections for next season? I promise I won't do what I did with them this time. ;)
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 2, 2007 4:31 PM PDT   0 recs

Dude, we might want to wait until we have an idea
what the roster will actually be.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Three months?
Aw man.
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 2, 2007 5:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Now
I said Now!!! Speed up to the parts where we trade WFB for Johan Santana, Jarrod Washburn for Erik Bedard, and Sexson for Pujols, then I can sleep again.

by chrisisasavage on Nov 3, 2007 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You should have brought some snacks!
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 5:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

'm not finished. You should have gotten a snack!
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Nov 2, 2007 5:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And that
is where babies come from...for machines.
What do I look like, a guy who's not lazy?

by Rollo Tomasi on Nov 3, 2007 3:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I watched the ATHF movie last night
It was horrible. I was very disappointed. The robot was pretty funny though.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 5, 2007 12:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

ATFH is a show that gets better
when you rewatch the episodes.
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Nov 6, 2007 8:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think that's the key to the movie,
I would have had to have been baked out of my mind to like it.

Unfortunately, I quit doing that a long time ago, and drinking multiple beers didn't make it any better.

I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 6, 2007 11:08 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I love the show.
But the movie sucked ass. Not even 1% as funny as the show is.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 6, 2007 11:09 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

"Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
Friday, Saturday, Sunday..."  

"Monday, Tue-"

Mooninites: "We only do it once!"

Am I doing this wrong?

I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 2, 2007 5:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are we gonna keep with the same
projection scheme.  It would be nice to know if we are doing median projection or mean projection to account for injuries.  I'm sure there are some other things we could do to refine the process.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 2, 2007 8:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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