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Community Projection: Adrian Beltre

The fifth in a non-alphabetical and irregularly updated series of review pieces for each of the players we predicted last winter. (All entries are linked in the left-hand sidebar, below the Rotoworld stuff and the interviews.)

LL/USSM Community: 604 AB's, .283/.347/.511 (n=144)
Actual Line: 595 AB's, .276/.319/.482

Closest Projection: jake.mailhot, .275/.327/.485

A high projection, leading one to theorize that perhaps players who have good second halves, like Beltre did in 2006, will be viewed more optimistically going into the next year. But then, Richie Sexson had an awesome second half in 2006 and his projection was completely normal, which kind of blows that whole theory out of the water. Sometimes the scientific method can be really fast.

For Adrian Beltre, 2007 was another strong and underrated campaign, the second he's put up in a row on the heels of his colossally disappointing AL debut. However, unlike in 2006, this time around Beltre didn't wait a few months to start hitting, instead batting .308 with six homers between April 26th and the beginning of June, when a sprained left thumb temporarily knocked him out of action and interfered with his swing for the better part of three weeks. After healing up he was quickly able to get back on track, though, stinging the ball in July and carrying it all the way into September, when a late-season fade forced his slugging percentage down from .500. Of all people, it actually felt like Adrian flipping Beltre was one of the most consistent players on the team.

As good as he is, and as thankful as we are that he's a Mariner, Beltre remains an easy target for people who like to make fun of bad contracts. They look at the year he had in 2004, then they look at the ensuing free agent contract, and they declare that he was a massive fluke and a total bust. He couldn't even reach .280/30/100 this season, after all.

These people are wrong. All of them. Not only because we didn't give Beltre his contract to repeat 2004 five times over, but also because he's a highly valuable player who arguably deserves more than he's getting. Other than drawing walks, there isn't a single facet of the game at which Beltre doesn't succeed. He hits for a reasonable average and good power despite playing half his games in a brutal environment. He runs well. He stays pretty healthy. He makes decent contact. And, of course, he plays a mean third base.

Defense. National analysts never think about defense (or, perhaps better, they never think about it accurately), but if they actually had a clue, they'd realize that a not insignificant portion of Beltre's value comes from what he contributes in the field. Forget the Gold Glove; you'll notice I didn't talk about those today, because they're completely retarded. Beltre's been doing the same thing in the field for as long as he's been in the Major Leagues. Here's a Beltre UZR history for as far back as I can go:

2000: +20 runs per 162 games
2001: +4
2002: +13
2003: +23
2004: +24 runs per 150 games (different spreadsheet for '04-'07)
2005: +4
2006: +13
2007: +5

Defense tends to start declining pretty quick, so Beltre probably isn't the +20 guy he used to be, but at +5 to +15, he's among the league's elite at third base. He may not quite be at the same level as Brandon Inge or Pedro Feliz, but few people are, and that's hardly a criticism. Adrian Beltre is money in the field.

He's not one of those really good, really boring defenders like Orlando Cabrera or Matt Holliday, either. Adrian Beltre is exciting. He's like Yuniesky Betancourt with 25% better hands and 75% more dives. And that doesn't even take into account the play that might as well bear his namesake - those swinging bunts down the third base line that force Beltre to charge in, barehand the ball, and throw an off-balance strike to first, all while momentum carries his body to home. No other player in baseball can make that happen with such frequency and such ease. It's like Beltre expects it to happen on every swing. There's no other explanation for why he's able to react so quickly every single time. When you get to the point where you see one of those high, shallow infield choppers, and you get disappointed when your third baseman doesn't turn what for pretty much anyone else would be an impossible play, you know you're spoiled.

Adrian Beltre is a durable third baseman who plays great defense and hits somewhere around a park-adjusted .280/.330/.520. That's an All Star-caliber player who, under the right circumstances, would get a handful of votes for AL MVP. Bust? Not on your life. Because of the difficulty a lot of people have with understanding park effects and individual defense, Beltre's actually become one of the more underrated everyday players in the game. He's a great talent who's completely deserving his King Awesome nickname. Yeah, he doesn't walk, he's streaky, and he's prone to having games where he looks like Helen Keller hitting a piƱata. But nobody's holding him up to be perfect. We merely find him to be very good, and if you don't understand why we call him King Awesome, then you haven't spent enough time watching him play.

I'd be remiss, of course, if I didn't also mention that, were it not for Adrian Beltre, we wouldn't have Red. Or, at least, we wouldn't have the Red with which we've all become familiar. And I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Red made nearly all of our seasons that much more enjoyable. If watching Red flip a tizzy on television after Beltre gave him a bat in the middle of a game wasn't one of your top ten moments of the year, then you have a black, black soul.

Adrian Beltre is what he is, and nothing more. He's not going to suddenly re-discover whatever it was that made him go crazy in 2004 and hit 40 home runs. If you're a new fan and you're looking for an obvious superstar, you should look somewhere else. But if you're looking for a damn fine player who's always focused, who's always enthusiastic, and who loses six or seven longballs on the center field warning track, then Beltre's your man. Maybe it's just something about how he's always either smiling or appearing perplexed, but even when we yell at him for chasing an outside slider, we do so out of love. Beltre just rocks, and I think his flaws only serve to endear him to us further. It'll be a sad day when Adrian Beltre's time in Seattle eventually comes to an end.

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I completely agree.
Beltre is my favorite position player (though Adam Jones is challenging him) and not just because he's talented.  I asked Red once what it is about Beltre, and he said it's just that he plays hard, he works hard, and that he makes mistakes and sometimes takes them too personally.  He's very human, and I think that's what endears him to the LL community so much.  Despite his flaws, and the fact that he makes so much money to play baseball, somehow he's more one of us than you'd expect any player to be.

Adrian Beltre is one of my favorites and despite our depth, I wouldn't mind giving him an extension...Triunfel's bat will play anywhere, and All-star 3B's are hard to come by.  Long live King Awesome.

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A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Nov 7, 2007 2:02 AM PST   0 recs

My dad's favorite player is Beltre
for the same reasons as Red.  He splits season tickets with some of his buddies about 20 rows up behind Safeco.  I've seen a copule games there and watching him play defense from that close up is pretty incredible.

Beltre also appears to really enjoy playing as well as working so hard and being so good.  I think he has a lot of traits that made Jr. so popular.  Beltre's not quite as good or charismatic so he doesn't have that broad fan base, but people who love baseball really enjoy watching Beltre.

I'd be happy if the M's could add 3 or 4 years to his current contract at the same cost.

by Jed MC on Nov 7, 2007 7:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I hope you dont miss your FACE!!!
Seriously...Who the FUCK steals another mans bobblehead?

by RED29 on Nov 7, 2007 11:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm got to stop making fun
Of that 'Beltre is unclutch' guy whenever Red's around. I fear for my face.

by Graham on Nov 7, 2007 11:13 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Corceron made fun of Beltre
We haven't heard from him yet today have we?
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 7, 2007 11:27 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

*slow clap*
Bravo, good man. Bravo.

by Jordan of Boise on Nov 7, 2007 7:12 AM PST   0 recs

He had the most dignified commercial.
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Nov 7, 2007 8:13 AM PST   0 recs

One more thing...
Screw Jose Guillen.  Adrian Beltre is a much bigger clubhouse leader.  I know we get tired of hearing about that whole clubhouse leader, chemistry stuff, but Adrian Beltre has all that stuff in spades.  

I know Red's his biggest fan, but Beltre's been my favorite M's position player since 2005...

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 7, 2007 9:23 AM PST   0 recs

Also
if you're looking for a damn fine player who's always focused, who's always enthusiastic, and who loses six or seven longballs on the center field warning track

And one to Kenny Lofton.  Can't forget Kenny fuckbag Lofton.

Beltre self actualized this year, finally emerging as the guy the Mariners hoped they were getting when they signed him.  We saw glimpses in 2006 but it came up in full force in 2007.

by Gomez on Nov 7, 2007 10:05 AM PST   0 recs

Nice pic of beltre polishing his wood
I don't know which is more threatening, him there or the ichiro Death Glare.
there should be three levels of terror alert: Jesus Christ, Goddammit, and fuck me! -LB

by Mere Tantalisers on Nov 7, 2007 10:26 AM PST   0 recs

I don't think he's polishing it,
I beleive he's adding pine tar for better grip!
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 7, 2007 1:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That's what she said.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 7, 2007 1:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'd go for the lube in that situation,
but that's just me. Pine tar can rip hair out.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 7, 2007 1:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And you know this from experience??
ZZzzzing!

;-)

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 7, 2007 1:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

LOL! Well, yes and no....
I know pine tar will rip hair out, because I used to pester the pitcher (hairy bastard) on my softball team by slapping him on the arm after I put pine tar on my hands.

Or, I tried using honey in bed with an ex GF of mine once, and that gets sticky quick!

As for pine tar on (ahem) "wood"..  No, I don't know from experience.

I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 7, 2007 1:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

So is it just coincidence that his projection
was done right after he won the GG, or were you inspired by the award?
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 7, 2007 10:32 AM PST   0 recs

It has appeared to go around the infield
so I'd say coincidence.
When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.

by Mariner John on Nov 7, 2007 4:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I didn't notice that before,
but it looks like you're right.
I'm never blocking a fire exit.

by Thingray on Nov 7, 2007 4:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Damn Jeff
Reading that post I started to well up a little, if it would have been another paragraph or so I may have lost it.  Its a good thing Im a goddamned man!  I kid, I kid.

Like Brett said, the reason I love Beltre so much really has nothing to do with numbers (Not to say he doesnt have decent numbers).  Im to the point where I like watching people who ENJOY playing the game and treat the game, and their team with respect and professionalism.  That is pretty much Beltre to a T.  Add the appeals, happy feet, constantly smiling and having a good time = my favorite player.  

From a numbers standpoint, he pretty much improved every year he was a Dodger, toppped of by his walking year in '04.  I was a little bummed by his '05 season, but who wasnt?  He has improved every year hes been with the M's.  This is his fourth year in the AL and like everybody else Im hoping for an all-star year this upcoming season.  I really do hope the Mariners management doesnt screw this one up by not re-signing him or extending him before he hits free agency.  This is the first time Ive had my favorite player playing for the home team, and IF there is a god he would make it so Beltre retires a Mariner.  

Like Jeff said, "It'll be a sad day when Adrian Beltre's time in Seattle eventually comes to an end."  

I couldnt agree more, and that day had better damn well be when he retires from the game.

Seriously...Who the FUCK steals another mans bobblehead?

by RED29 on Nov 7, 2007 11:21 AM PST   0 recs

ditto all that
plus I hope they move in the LCF power alleys a bit so that Adrian can get better numbers at home. Also, if they do plan on sticking Raul out there again, they should make all of LF end at 300 feet to minimize the defensive disadvantage.

by Matthew on Nov 7, 2007 11:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

If they went
and brought in the fences, I'd feel really sorry for Washburn, because 10-to-1 that would mark the death knell for his career.  Once he put up a season or two with a normal left field, nobody would want him.  That said, it would be real nice to see the M's properly value right handed hitters and left handed (or really any) pitchers.

by chrisisasavage on Nov 7, 2007 12:04 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I couldn't agree 110% more
I like to win games, so don't get me wrong, but something that always made me love guys like Beltre and Edgar is it's obvious how much they love playing.  These guys get bazillions of $$$$$$$, yet treat their professions worse than a lot of fast food workers.  

by chrisisasavage on Nov 7, 2007 12:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

As long as Beltre isn't blocking anybody
like Triunfel or possibly Mangini, I have no problem with resigning him. He'll be what, about 31 when the deal is up? That's not bad. I could handle another 3-4 year contract.

Problem is, I doubt he's gonna be as cheap as we want him to be. I also wonder if we're gonna have anywhere to play him if guys like Tri and Mangini pan out.

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Nov 7, 2007 4:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think Red
May mildly slap your face rather than all-out break it.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by Librocrat on Nov 7, 2007 4:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It wouldn't be a bad idea
to approach him now and see what it would take to tack another 3-4 years on. With his depressed numbers offensively, you might be able to get a steal.

by Matthew on Nov 7, 2007 7:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

As long as his defense doesn't go in the shitter
a la A-Rod
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Nov 7, 2007 10:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

ARod isn't that bad
Does anybody else feel that 3B is really way more competative defensively than in the past?  It seems like its so hard to be average cause there are so many great ones out there today.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 7, 2007 10:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Does anyone have the video
of Beltre giving Red the bat? Is it in an old game thread somewhere? I can't believe I missed this . . .

by Teej on Nov 7, 2007 12:22 PM PST   0 recs

Or at least a date and an inning
so I can check it out on MLB.tv?

by Teej on Nov 7, 2007 12:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

August 18
I was just watching it yesterday

by Robert on Nov 7, 2007 12:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Adrian Beltre is
another one of those player sthta you love to have on your team. Adrian is probably my favorite player in the Majors, and I think that next year he will do big things.

Without the 17 games immediately following his thumb injury, he batted .286/.332/.504 in the Safe. Those numbers would be great in any ballpark, and I believe that he can imitate those numbers in '08.

FREE ADAM JONES

by dbroncos31 on Nov 7, 2007 1:39 PM PST   0 recs

Beltre just rocks
fav. player right a head of Yu-bet.

by InSpokane on Nov 7, 2007 2:14 PM PST   0 recs

I think my favorite moment
was when I thought he was gonna kill Ryan Franklin.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 7, 2007 5:53 PM PST   0 recs

Pic? Vid?
I don't remember this incident.

by redwolf75 on Nov 12, 2007 2:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It was two years ago.
Beltre got all up in Spiroid's grill in the dugout. Don't think it was captured on film, but I could be wrong.

by Jeff on Nov 12, 2007 7:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

3Bmen Factor Analysis
All I want to say without further comment is to share with you my Factor Analysis I made for all the 2007 season.

The Factor Analysis link can be found here:

http://www.sportspot.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=12118

And the 3Bmen analysis can be found here:

http://www.sportspot.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=12104

Thank you.

Where all that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.

by Pirata Morado on Nov 8, 2007 9:57 AM PST   0 recs

I got a Q on Beltre's UZR.
At the halfway point, I believe it was at +12 or +13, and I was surprised to see it at +5 at the end of the year. I don't remember seeing anything changing dramatically, good or bad, about his D from the first half to the second. I've heard of UZR being very prone to high inflation and deflation with small sample sizes, so I'm wondering if that's the case, or if it's due to Beltre really falling off the table in the second half. Or maybe it's a BIP data error like Ichiro's.
Refuse to progress!!

by Double06 on Nov 8, 2007 8:20 PM PST   0 recs

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